An email between friends
I dunno if I'm getting desparate for material already or what. This seemed like an interesting conversation between my and my buddy Squid Dog in San Diego. Especially down toward the end, when the cross on Mount Soledad comes up. As we started this conversation, it's 7AM in Nashville, which is 5AM out there.
On 6/20/06, Squid Dog
This is way too early.
On 6/20/06, Will
Yeah buddy. You're in very early
On 6/20/06, Squid Dog
This really hurts.
On 6/20/06, Will
WTF are you doing there at 5am?
On 6/20/06, Squid Dog
I'm working 5-2 today. yuck.
On 6/20/06, Will
Wow, that really blows, dude. Sorry you're up so early.
On 6/20/06, Squid Dog
No worries. It's for today only. It was painful getting up at 3:30. Luckily the puppy was there to keep me company.
On 6/20/06, Will
Good thing. Yeesh. Dude, I don't even get up until after 5:00
On 6/20/06, Squid Dog
I didn't get to bed until almost 11:00 either.
On 6/20/06, Will
Wow, hope you got some coffee. I'm brewing up some Starbucks right now.
Speaking of which, how's your sister's company (ed. Kiskadee Coffee, www.kiskadeecoffee.com) doing?
On 6/20/06, Squid Dog < squid.dog@xxxxx.xxx > wrote:
Brewed up a pot this morning.
Not sure. I haven't spoken to her in a while about it.
On 6/20/06, Will
Cool. Bad thing about days like yours is that after an hour or so you just end up peeing every five minutes for an hour.
On 6/20/06, Squid Dog
Yup, then when it's time to go home, I'll be so wired on coffee that I won't be able to nap.
On 6/20/06, Will
That'll suck too.
On 6/20/06, Squid Dog < squid.dog@xxxxx.xxx > wrote:
Yuppers. Meh, who cares. I'll just go to bed at 7:00 then. hehe.
On 6/20/06, Will
That's my tactic. I crashed in the recliner at 9:00 last night. Woke up at 10 to go to bed.
On 6/20/06, Squid Dog
That's my favorite thing to do is to crash in the recliner or on the couch.
On 6/20/06, Will
It's pretty nice
On 6/20/06, Squid Dog
Boy Howdy.
6:00 others start rolling in now so I'll have some company. hehe.
On 6/20/06, Will
Well that's good, I guess.
On 6/20/06, Squid Dog
I should have napped when I had the chance. haha.
On 6/20/06, Will
Yup. Too late now.
On 6/20/06, Squid Dog
sure is. Time for another cup of coffee I guess.
On 6/20/06, Will
Yup.
On 6/20/06, Squid Dog
Ooo, forgot I had yogurt to eat.
Dang, I have to take my lunch at 10:00. That's still breakfast time!
On 6/20/06, Will
Actually, it is. You could go get McDonalds breakfast
On 6/20/06, Squid Dog < squid.dog@xxxxx.xxx > wrote:
I was thinking about it, but it'd probably take me 20 minutes to get to the closest McD's here. The food would probably be old. I brought in food anyway.
On 6/20/06, Will
No need to subject yourself to that crap, then. I always liked Sonic better for breakfast, anyway.
On 6/20/06, Squid Dog
There is no Sonic here even though they advertise. I think the closest one is Anaheim or something like that.
There's a Sonic in AJ where my mom lives. We always go there once.
On 6/20/06, Will
Great breakfast burritos.
On 6/20/06, Squid Dog < squid.dog@xxxxx.xxx > wrote:
Oh really? Mmm, now I want one.
On 6/20/06, Will
What's really good are their Super Sonic double jalapeno cheeseburgers. Those are awesome.
On 6/20/06, Squid Dog < squid.dog@xxxxx.xxx > wrote:
Oooo, dang, that sounds very tasty. I love burgers with jalapenos on them.
On 6/20/06, Will
They are really, really good dude. You must try one next time you head out to Apache Junction.
On 6/20/06, Squid Dog
I think I shall take your advice and do that.
On 6/20/06, Will
You will be pleased
On 6/20/06, Squid Dog
I think you could put jalapenos on a shit sandwich and it'd taste good.
On 6/20/06, Will
Well, you can try it and let me know.
On 6/20/06, Squid Dog
No thanks. I'm not that hungry.
On 6/20/06, Will
Wow, thought I replied to this one.
I see that the beaches out there are now smoke-free. Interesting that there's a beach in SD where you can not wear clothes, but none where you can smoke a cigarette.
On 6/20/06, Squid Dog < squid.dog@xxxxx.xxx > wrote:
nope, you sure didn't.
That's bass-ackwards CA for you.
On 6/20/06, Will
Saw that the Soledad cross is supposed to come down on August 1st too, unless they get another delay.
On 6/20/06, Squid Dog < squid.dog@xxxxx.xxx > wrote:
Who knows on that one. What a big mess and waste of money that whole thing is. ONe guy doesn't like it there and has to raise a stink.
On 6/20/06, Will
Yeah, some atheist Vietnam vet way back when. Technically, he's got a point, though
On 6/20/06, Squid Dog
He has a legal point, but not a good one. Should vegetarians insist military bases or court houses stop serving meat? Granted Mt Soledad is an issue of separation of church and state, but it's not like it's a gov't building. It's a war memorial. Some people just need to get of their high-horse power trip and deal with life instead of always whining about silly crap. I wonder how many hundreds of thousands of tax payers dollars was wasted on this, yet library's are closing and the public pool by our house is only open for 4 months/year and only till like 2:00 on saturdays because they can't afford lifeguards (yes Jennifer and I actually tried to go swimming there a few times and we have library cards.) I'm not saying that crosses should be everywhere (I'm far from being religious), I'm just saying people need to make better decisions on choosing their battles.
On 6/20/06, Will
If the constitution said anything about separation of govt buildings/military bases and meat, I would say get it out of there. Actually, most people who have eaten military food would prolly be pretty happy about that.
Completely with you on the money thing. It's ridiculous that all you guys' money out there in San Diego is being spent on a 12 year legal battle. In my opinion, the govt there should have taken it down when someone voiced a complaint, because it's about as clear of a violation of that church and state thing as you can get. If it were a giant buddha or a big ol cow (don't hindus worship cattle?), it would be gone by now, don't you think? I think the choosing battles decisions need to be made better by you guys' government.
We get the same thing out here with courtrooms and ten commandments. Again, that seems like another pretty clear violation of separation of church and state. You tell me if you're an atheist or a muslim and walk into a courtroom with the ten commandments displayed behind the judge that you feel you'd get a fair trial? If I got convicted for something, I'd have my defense lawyers arguing that point on appeal until the oceans ran dry. It's funny, because out there a giant cross is a "war memorial", and here the ten commandments are "historical documents" or "historic art".
In the end, Soledad is a big ol symbol of christianity cross that some atheist got pissed about paying taxes to maintain. According to some pretty smart guys who founded the country, that's illegal.
In closing, do you mind if I make a blog entry from this? I'll leave out your name and all. I'm sorry if this is irritating you. I don't mean to bait you into an argument on 3 hours' sleep
On 6/20/06, Squid Dog < squid.dog@xxxxx.xxx > wrote:
So should this athiest guy not use our money then? I believe that has "In God We Trust" written right on it. Lemme check. Yup it does.
I think my major beef is that people want everything to be they way they want it and and cause a media storm when it isn't. There are people out there that could have 15 presidential candidates out there and they'd have a reason to protest about something about each one of them. Can't they just realize that the only "perfect president" in each person's eyes is themselves. Just realize it and accept it. We all dislike something about everyone.
If they removed the cross, there would still be a war memorial there that would have to be maintained.
I kind of see it your way too. It's one of those touchy areas. And right now, my brain is too fried...
Sure, post it. It's good for replies and whatnot. Keep me anonymous.
...been installing a Cingular wireless NIC. HAte it already.
On 6/20/06, Will
Just because things are wrong in more than one place doesn't mean they're not wrong. Our money says In God We Trust. There's a cross on Mt Soledad, which is government property. The 10 commandments are displayed in a zillion government buildings here in the south. The fact that all these things exist does not make them right. It just means there are three wrong things instead of one.
The problem, in my opinion is that one of those goofy predictions made in the early 90s came true. Battles are fought now with information and through the media. Combine that with a modern need for people to be famous and in the public eye, and you've got people who do things to agitate in order to get on TV, in order to further their cause. Take Ann Coulter, for chrissakes. Where have you not seen that lady? Every time she appears on TV, she sways someone's opinion to join her cause. By doing that, she can afford to focus on getting on TV and websites and attracting more people to her cause. People like that guy who started that whole Soledad issue aren't necessarily the problem, it's the people who come into play afterwards. Local politicians and judges openly defy the constitution they were sworn to protect and uphold because it differs from the values of the people who elected them. For some reason, the public seem to value their elected officials' opinions more than how they spend the public's money.
Just once I'd like to see an elected official do something other than the predictable party-line, values-n-morals predetermined decision and actually uphold the law as it's written. Government has no business in religion, it's separate. Guns are legal, and you're welcome to own them. You can say whatever you want as long as it's not hurting someone else. Things like this seem fairly cut and dry to me.
If the cross weren't there, it wouldn't be much of an issue, would it? It would be an actual war memorial, just like the Vietnam Memorial in Washington DC. Soledad was a big ol cross decades before it was a war memorial.
It is a touchy area, and I guess that's why it's on the news so much. I have no idea what the solution should be. I know what I'd like, and that's for a bunch of people to buy the land from the govt and keep the cross there. I know they tried that a while back, but they didn't make it a public sale, which they should have. I remember that land, and I bet it's worth a whole lot more than $24,000.
A Cingular wireless NIC? That works anywhere? Cool!
On 6/20/06, Squid Dog
Politicians are one step above child rapists in my book.
Well, from what I can tell, the danged card doesn't work anywhere. hehe. 12 more minutes to try.
On 6/20/06, Will
Agreed.
At least you won't have to mess with it too much longer.
I'm putting together the post now. I think I'm going to paste in the whole day's email and warn people that it's kind of long.
On 6/20/06, Squid Dog
Politics is always interesting because it's not like you can ever say "yes" or "no" It's always "yes, most of the time" or "no, most of the time"
Well, I'm outtie. Have a good night.
On 6/20/06, Will
Outtie too. Talk to you tomorrow.
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